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The Habitat Institute

Hi DoubleGrazing, I imagine you must be quite tired of reviewing submissions and advising people on how to improve them, and I truly appreciate the work you do. I have to admit I am struggling to fully understand the distinction between primary and secondary sources.

In my draft, I have included references from federal agencies and a magazine article. The magazine article is, in my view, less substantial in proving notability, but I included it for context. I could certainly add more articles or even pull in federal memos and reports that have affected national policy and reference the use of the Institute’s science for some of its largest restoration projects.

I would greatly appreciate any candid advice on the best approach. My goal is to get this information published so people know that this small nonprofit has contributed some of the most robust ecological science available in the nation.

Would you recommend that I pare the article down to a short factual statement until more independent coverage exists, or is there a way to present the organization’s work in a way that better aligns with Wikipedia’s notability guidelines? Any guidance you can provide would be sincerely appreciated. Thank you for your time and honesty. EcoLaw101 (talk) 21:22, 30 March 2026 (UTC)[reply]

Hi @EcoLaw101:

A very quick & dirty, layman's (ie. non-historiographical!) way to identify a primary source is if it's a government department or agency, or association of some sort, or university etc., then it's almost certainly a primary one. Giveaways include (for online sources) their website domain names: .gov, .mil, .edu, .org etc. are typical TLDs for primary sources. Whereas if it's a media outlet like CNN, BBC News, Deutsche Welle, The Guardian, etc. there is a chance that it could be secondary (if it's eg. a piece of investigative journalism) although even then it may be primary (eg. interview). So on one hand the answer to 'primary or secondary?' can be simple, but on the other hand you always have to dig a bit deeper to check that the source really is what it looks like on the surface. (If you want to read further on this, the definition is in the relevant policy at WP:SECONDARY, and there's an essay that touches on aspects of it: 'Identifying and using primary sources'.)

More specifically, in the case of Draft:The Habitat Institute you've told us what this organisation is and does, citing various credible and impressive sources to verify individual statements and to show that this is a legit, bona fide outfit. That's all great, as far as it goes – however, those sources do not demonstrate notability, which is a core requirement for inclusion in the encyclopaedia. 'Notability' sounds like it means 'importance' or 'stature' or 'prestige' or something like that, but it doesn't. In the Wikipedia context, and in what comes to organisations in particular, 'notability' basically means 'has been covered in multiple independent and reliable secondary sources'. I didn't see such sources in your draft.

HTH, -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 06:06, 31 March 2026 (UTC)[reply]

Request on 10:24:36, 31 March 2026 for assistance on AfC submission by Timi g17

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- User:IamTimi G/MURAT EMIROGLU (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Hi, please can you tell me why the article was declined and what I need to improve it, also if I can get any assistance or help to make the article live thanks...

Timi g17 (talk) 10:24, 31 March 2026 (UTC)[reply]

@Timi g17: I declined it for the reason given in the decline notice, namely that there already exists another draft on this same subject, at Draft:Murat Emiroğlu. Please don't submit multiple drafts, it causes all sorts of confusion and doesn't in any way improve the chances of the draft(s) being accepted.

Are you operating both the Timi g17 and IamTimi G user accounts? If so, why is that? -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 10:32, 31 March 2026 (UTC)[reply]